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Hockeynick39
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Posted - Aug 27 2017 :  16:59:14  Show Profile  Send Hockeynick39 an AOL message Send Hockeynick39 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Anyone have any specific boolit molds or loads they want to share? Gettinga few items in when I return from Philly next week. Just need a good mould and a decent load. She sizes at .310 on the nose and am going to size to .312, pending the chamber will fit it with the brass!

Onondaga
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Posted - Aug 27 2017 :  19:18:21  Show Profile Send Onondaga a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Nick,

The most popular cast bullet for the 32-20 is the Lee TL314-90-SWC cast in BHN15 Lyman #2 Alloy and Lyman recommends 10:1 alloy that is also excellent for their load level. It is great for small game up to Coyote size. The Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook 4th Edition Page 173 lists the most accurate load for this weight cast bullet in 32-20 as:
START 13.4 gr Rx7 1258 fps 11,200 CUP - MAXIMUM 14.8 gr 1379 fps 14,900 CUP

The 90 gr Lee bullet is a 32 Pistol mold that sizes and easily tumble lubes for any 32-20 and has a flat nose on the SWC that is a solid performing small/medium game bullet. This bullet is an excellent one for my Remington Spartan 7.62X39 at 1160 fps with 3.9 gr TiteGroup for squirrel to giant snapping turtle and groups under 1/2"@50 yards for me. Your 32-20 would do about the same with this bullet/charge if it fits well at your sizing. I size .3125" for my rifle to get an ink verified slide fit on chambering. I tumble lube lightly with warmed bullets and warmed Whites Deluxe 45:45:10 once before and once after sizing. You could load it a little hotter with the Lyman load than I do for squirrels. I seat the bullet so the 4th from the top driving band centers on the case mouth edge, any shallower is not stable for pocket carry. I don't crimp for my single shot but you should for a lever gun to retain the bullets during feed.

That mold is a 2 cavity on sale at Midway for $19.79:

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/115225/lee-2-cavity-bullet-mold-tl314-90-swc-32-20-wcf-32-s-and-w-long-32-colt-new-police-314-diameter-90-grain-tumble-lube-semi-wadcutter

Gary

Fine rifles are never really owned.

Edited by - Onondaga on Aug 28 2017 03:15:41
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Hockeynick39
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Posted - Sep 04 2017 :  16:59:46  Show Profile  Send Hockeynick39 an AOL message Send Hockeynick39 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Decided to go with this boolit:

http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=31-100F-D.png

I may be able to push this thing about 1700+ fps out of the 24" bbl on the ole 1892. Will be working up some loads through Ql and running them once the mould comes in. Will also be heat treating them and PB checking them, so shouldn't be an issue. Here is what QL estimates, and if this is possible from the Win. 1892, then, this is a viable deer load out to 200 yard!!!!!!!

Cartridge : .32-20 Win.
Bullet : ?? .314, Accurate 31-100F
Useable Case Capaci: 17.264 grain H2O = 1.121 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.592 inch = 40.44 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant 2400

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 68 10.24 1749 679 16483 1635 85.8 1.700
-18.0 69 10.50 1788 710 17503 1686 86.9 1.656
-16.0 71 10.75 1827 741 18574 1737 88.0 1.613
-14.0 73 11.01 1866 773 19698 1787 89.0 1.572
-12.0 75 11.26 1905 806 20876 1836 90.0 1.533
-10.0 76 11.52 1944 839 22112 1883 90.9 1.496
-08.0 78 11.78 1982 872 23408 1930 91.8 1.460
-06.0 80 12.03 2020 906 24767 1975 92.6 1.426
-04.0 81 12.29 2057 940 26192 2019 93.4 1.393 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 83 12.54 2095 975 27686 2062 94.1 1.361 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 85 12.80 2132 1009 29251 2103 94.8 1.331 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 86 13.06 2169 1045 30893 2142 95.5 1.302 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 88 13.31 2206 1080 32614 2180 96.1 1.273 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 90 13.57 2242 1116 34418 2216 96.6 1.246 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 92 13.82 2278 1153 36311 2251 97.1 1.221 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 93 14.08 2314 1189 38295 2284 97.6 1.196 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 85 12.80 2234 1108 35019 2103 98.9 1.243 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 85 12.80 2002 890 23763 2016 87.7 1.447

Or (with dacron batting)

Cartridge : .32-20 Win.
Bullet : ?? .314, Accurate 31-100F
Useable Case Capaci: 17.264 grain H2O = 1.121 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.592 inch = 40.44 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon Longshot

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 43 6.96 1634 593 18582 1054 100.0 1.692
-18.0 45 7.13 1660 612 19527 1073 100.0 1.658
-16.0 46 7.31 1686 631 20502 1091 100.0 1.625
-14.0 47 7.48 1711 650 21508 1109 100.0 1.594
-12.0 48 7.66 1736 669 22544 1128 100.0 1.564
-10.0 49 7.83 1760 688 23611 1146 100.0 1.536
-08.0 50 8.00 1785 707 24711 1164 100.0 1.509
-06.0 51 8.18 1808 726 25843 1182 100.0 1.483
-04.0 52 8.35 1832 745 27009 1200 100.0 1.458 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 53 8.53 1855 764 28209 1218 100.0 1.434 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 54 8.70 1878 783 29444 1236 100.0 1.410 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 55 8.87 1901 803 30714 1253 100.0 1.388 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 57 9.05 1924 822 32021 1271 100.0 1.367 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 58 9.22 1946 841 33364 1288 100.0 1.346 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 59 9.40 1968 860 34746 1306 100.0 1.326 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 60 9.57 1990 879 36167 1323 100.0 1.307 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 54 8.70 1903 804 33468 1204 100.0 1.364 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 54 8.70 1841 753 25334 1282 100.0 1.476


Edited by - Hockeynick39 on Sep 04 2017 17:16:32
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Onondaga
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Posted - Sep 04 2017 :  20:17:44  Show Profile Send Onondaga a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Great looking mold and plenty big diameter to size where you need. Very impressive size of the flat nose. A simple tumble lube once before and twice after size/check will work well. You will need the 2 final coats at the velocity you seek. I only use 1/1 for my 1160 velocity.

Beware that alloy hardness beyond the need of your load level makes bullet fit more critical and subtracts accuracy potential. The 27Kpsi loading you mention needs BHN20 Alloy to match that pressure by Lee chart for plain base bullets. A gas check extends that by 10%

Try running data on H Titegroup, it has better ignition than 2400 or Longshot and Titegroup will not need filler and is not recommended even with tiny charges in large cases.

Gotta warn you, plain base type gas checks don't work well at all on alloys as hard as you need in your application. Expect jamming and crumpling of PB type gas checks installing them on BHN 20 plain base bullets that aren't designed with a reduced shank diameter for gas checks.

There are posts on other forums that show using a collet bullet pulling die to reduce bullet shank diameter for gas checks on plain base bullets like yours. You may turn to that when you run into problems PB checking BHN20 plain based bullets.

I had to polish the taper inside my Lee push through base first size/check die for it to work at all with PB gas checks and much softer BHN15 Lyman #2 alloy plain based rifle bullets. I have used aluminum plain base gas checks in 45 and 50 cal rifle from:
http://www.sagesoutdoors.com/

Gary

Fine rifles are never really owned.

Edited by - Onondaga on Sep 04 2017 20:54:20
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Kosh75287
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Posted - Sep 05 2017 :  00:44:05  Show Profile Send Kosh75287 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
A standard load for the .32-20 for at least 50 years has been Lyman's #311316, a 120 grain flat-nosed gas check cast bullet over 10.0 grains of #2400.
I got that from elsewhere on the net, but it was represented as coming from Elmer Keith.

I'M hardly in a position to tell anyone how to treat their firearms, but I counsel moderation in seeing how fast you can push a bullet from a rifle that old. It's almost impossible for it to not have some value as a collector, so I hope you'll keep that in mind when reloading for it.

A 120 gr. projectile at 1500 f/s doesn't sound nearly as impressive as the same pill at 1700 f/s, but the old rifle will likely digest it better, and for much longer.

God bless Jeff Cooper

Carpe SCOTCH!

Edited by - Kosh75287 on Sep 05 2017 00:51:41
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Hockeynick39
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Posted - Sep 05 2017 :  06:36:09  Show Profile  Send Hockeynick39 an AOL message Send Hockeynick39 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Gary, I usually put the soda/beer can gas checks on before I heat treat it. When I do heat treat them, I will be shooting for around 18 BHN, so it should be plenty good for the application that I am seeking. To me, tumble lubing is messy and I prefer to use my Lyman 4500 Lub-sizer and have gotten into cake lubing.

Kosh, I've seen that data too and yes, it does appear to be an original load from Elmer. The max loads that QL estimates are within safe Piezo CIP pressures for the firearm. Besides, I always start low and work up. Whichever is the most accurate is where I keep it and sometimes, that's at 1500 fps on the big boys that I have. BTW, that 1500 fps load from my .45-70 with a 400 gr FN will pretty much flatten a moving garbage truck out to 100 yds!!! SO, no, speed is not king with lead bullets.
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Kosh75287
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Posted - Sep 07 2017 :  00:14:21  Show Profile Send Kosh75287 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I guess I'm just more apprehensive than necessary about people risking the wreckage of nice old rifles. I have every expectation that you are an experienced and prudent reloader, so likely my previous post was unnecessary. I was, in all probability, just saying it for MY peace of mind.

I also agree that there's not much on the planet that couldn't be shut down by a solid hit from your .45-70 handloads. One of my favorite lines in that vane was Jeff Cooper's response to detractors of the .45 ACP that "It doesn't go very fast.", to which Cooper's response was "Neither does a wrecking ball."

God bless Jeff Cooper

Carpe SCOTCH!
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Hockeynick39
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Posted - Sep 07 2017 :  06:33:08  Show Profile  Send Hockeynick39 an AOL message Send Hockeynick39 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kosh75287



I also agree that there's not much on the planet that couldn't be shut down by a solid hit from your .45-70 handloads. One of my favorite lines in that vane was Jeff Cooper's response to detractors of the .45 ACP that "It doesn't go very fast.", to which Cooper's response was "Neither does a wrecking ball."



Amen!
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