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Vernon
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 Posted - Oct 25 2010 : 00:19:53
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| OK, another thread got me thinking, like most folks I got caught up in the spitzer bullet hype. I guess it was because round nosed bullets were all we ever shot when I was a kid, in the old 30-30. When I bought my 308, I left the round nose behind. My question concerns the Sierra 180 gr and shots that might be as long as 400 yards. Any one have any experience with these bullets? Since hornady changed its nose shape, I am really not that happy with them, I had been shooting 150 gr interlocks, and am working up a load with the sierra 150 gr game king, but I would be open to the round nose idea. |
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Hockeynick39
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - Oct 25 2010 : 10:17:09
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Vernon,
What rifle/ caliber are we loading for, tubular magazine, single shot, lever standard magazine, bolt action, and/ or any of the other combinations I can't think of right now? What are you looking for this particular round nose to do? Sorry for the questions, but there are a plethera of different types of round nose bullets to choose from. In my levers I have used Hornady FTX (.30-30) and Speer Hot-Cors (still waiting on the release of the Deep Curls). In my bolt actions, I have used the woodleigh Protected Point Soft Nose with spectacular results on paper so far (just waiting for the right tough animal to use them on to see if they actually rate the hype). I've looked at other true round noses and the BCs and down range impact energy did not seem too impressive to me, that's why I went with the bullets I listed above. I'm not saying that they will not perform as advertised, I'm just saying the numbers as they were presented to me in my research were not what I was looking for.
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Vernon
Average Member
USA
131 Posts |
Posted - Oct 25 2010 : 11:12:01
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| The caliber is 308 Winchester, I am hunting White tail, the rifle is a bolt action. Most of my shots are under 200 yards, but there is the occasional 400 yard shot. Aiming high doesn't bother me, if the bullet still has the impact energy at 400 yards. |
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lost-leader
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - Oct 25 2010 : 13:27:17
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| vernon-- U brought up a very interesting subject to me. I have to go way back to when I was 12 year's old. My first rifle was a Rem. Mod.# 740 in .308 Win. With pointed bullet's. My job was to skin out the deer after season was over. My Dad said it doesn't hurt to let them age alittle, (Wrong). My Dad shot a .300 Sav. W/ 180gr rd., nose Rem. Cor-loc bullet's. My brother shot a .35 Rem. W/200gr. Rem. rd. nose, Rem. Cor-loc bullet's. All deer were shot at close range, under 100yds. Some-time's there would be a complete pass threw, no bullet to be found. And alot of time's I'd find the bullet on a front shoulder shot deer. Even after going threw some bone, that Cor-loc bullet would be perfectly mushroomed out, with lead and jacket still together. They very seldom lost a deer they shot. But we used to have snow for deer season, back in the 50's. I started hunting at the age of 11, I lied my age when I bought my license. Shot my first buck at 12 year's old. I noticed right away, that my .308 did alot more damage than my dad's or brother's .35 did. Back then a rifle was judged by how much, carnage U could do to a deer's carcass. And I'm guility to this day. I like the high velosity bullet's, but realize that U have to find a bullet that stand's up to the higher veloctie"s. It's going to be interesting to see how these 200gr. Rem. Cor-loc's hold up in my .35 Whelen and my .358 Win. lost. |
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Vernon
Average Member
USA
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Posted - Oct 25 2010 : 16:01:14
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| Guess I'll just have to try them, seems everybody today is shooting some premium bullet or the other. I am just experimenting looking for a new favorite hunting bullet since my old favorite went the way of the dinosaur. I'll probably end up using the Gameking 150 gr spitzer, it can't be very different than what I was using, but since I am experimenting I thought I'd give the round nose bullets a try. It's just hard to have faith in something that you don't even have a recommendation on. |
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lost-leader
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - Oct 25 2010 : 18:59:27
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| Vernon,-- I'm not saying Rem. Cor-Loc's will hold up to velosity's of some of our cartridge's today, but they sure did, on the .30/.30, .300 Savage and .35 Rem. But the rifle's were carring today are at least 800 fps. faster. I don't know how they will do in a .308--I'm sure the 180gr. would hold together, but it wouldn't be very good at 400 yds. If U have any doubt's, stick with the premium bullet's for this season and do your exspearmenting with other bullet's, for next year. It's getting to close to opener, to be changing now. lost. |
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cfvickers
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Posted - Oct 25 2010 : 20:48:02
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| I watched my mother kill a doe at way over 400 with a 7x57 and a 175 grain round nose. I load them fairly slow in my .308 and they shoot really well. My dad shoots 154 RN Hornady in his .280 Ackley at around 3000 fps and they hold up well. |
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Vernon
Average Member
USA
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Posted - Oct 26 2010 : 00:16:23
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Yea lost, I know I waited way too late. The truth is I thought I had more ammo left. I loaded this stuff up in the late 80's or early 90's, and have been using it ever since. Hornady changed the interlock design in the mid 80's, so I have had these bullets a long time. I'm still hoping that I'll turn up another box before season, but so far no luck. I have 3 rounds left. I have a workable load for the 150 gr Sierras that matches the velocity of what I have been shooting, so I'll use the 3 I have left and carry the new rounds as back up (after I shoot them over distance to see where they impact).
cfvickers, that gives me enough hope to try them. But at this stage it will be next year, and that gives me a long time to put a good load together, what velocity are you getting in your 308? Looking at the mythical ballistics program I'll need 2500 out of a 180 gr round nose to make a 400 yard shot comfortably. At that velocity it is still carrying plenty of momentum. Of course that is on paper, and will all have to be verified. That's the fun of reloading, but at the same time there is no reason to reinvent the wheel, if someone has been down this road already. |
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Bobo7mmmag
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Posted - Oct 26 2010 : 20:26:53
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Have loaded Hornady 150 grain Round Nose Interlocks in 30-30 Win for guys around here with good results. I would think that it would expand way out there since it is made for lower 30-30 Win velocity's.
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cfvickers
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Posted - Oct 27 2010 : 00:00:35
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| I am using 43.5 grains of RL15 at 2480 from a winchester model 100. 2500 should be easy. The alliant page shows a 180 speer at 2613 with 45 grains. you won't have trouble reaching 2500 especially if it is a bolt action. As long as you know how far you are shooting and how much drop you are looking at you can kill the deer with it. |
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Vernon
Average Member
USA
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Posted - Oct 27 2010 : 18:27:13
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| Thanks guys, it seems worth a try. Really the longer shots are rare, but they are usually the larger bucks. Usually the range will be under 200. |
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3006Savage
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Posted - Nov 01 2010 : 14:27:11
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Originally posted by Vernon
OK, another thread got me thinking, like most folks I got caught up in the spitzer bullet hype. I guess it was because round nosed bullets were all we ever shot when I was a kid, in the old 30-30. When I bought my 308, I left the round nose behind. My question concerns the Sierra 180 gr and shots that might be as long as 400 yards. Any one have any experience with these bullets? Since hornady changed its nose shape, I am really not that happy with them, I had been shooting 150 gr interlocks, and am working up a load with the sierra 150 gr game king, but I would be open to the round nose idea.
Light weight bullets, round nosed bullets and long range (400 yard) shots are not a good combination. Round nosed bullets are good for short range work within their designed velocity range.
Wind drift and loss of velocity and energy would really affect the terminal performance at range. I often hear that the spitzer bullets weakness is opening at lower velocities. That ignores the reality of the external ballistics of the two designs.
When you compare compare the different designs there are definate advantages to the spitzer. Muzzle velocity is 2900 fps and the range of comparison is your 400 yard max range.
Round Nose 150 .186BC 1340FPS 566KE 32.1Wind Drift
HornadySpitzer .415BC 2000FPS 1439KE 13.3Wind Drift
NoslerEtip 150 .469BC 2165FPS 1561KE 11.6Wind Drift
At close range most would agree they both work great. The spitzer bullets are the Interbond, SST, or GMX. All are 150 grain bullets. I often hear the round nose supports saying they perform better a low impact velocities which I dont disagree with. I would however point out that in the real world it makes no sense to compare the bullets at the same velocity since the spitzer will always impact at higher velocities due their inherant design advantage being less drag. I would take the spitzer bullet at 2000 fps anyday to a round nose at 1340 fps. Just doubling the KE it should seem obvious which would kill more effectively. That is before you even consider the wind drift means placing the round nosed bullet where it does the most damage is much more difficult under varing field conditions. |
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scottd5194
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Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 20:40:10
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| Great analysis 3006 Savage... I think that round nose bullets with a lot of exposed lead are exceptional performers at moderate ranges and velocities. The 220 grain round nose in the 30-06 is an excellent choice for brown bear, at the relatively low velocity it combines good expansion with penetration. The 300 grain RN in the 375 also has earned an enviable reputation on dangerous game. The velocities are similar... about 2500 max... and the high SD makes them good penetrators, modern bullet technology has made the magnums practical, but it's still hard to beat the classics!! |
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Tom23
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Paul B
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Posted - Jun 24 2012 : 01:34:07
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More proof of life after death.  Another thread almost two years old has risen from the dead. Oh well, the reas was interesting and I've guilty of "raising the dead thread" on occasion myself. 
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Big 4
Average Member
USA
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Posted - Jun 24 2012 : 13:26:39
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I still load my .308 Model 99 Savage with 180 gr. RN corelokt bullets. I have a stash of them and they perform to perfection within .308 range and I consider the .308 a 300 yard gun with perhaps an ocassional 350 to 400 yard shot under perfect conditions..
The corelokts work fine..Not saying a spitzer wouldn't be better at long range, just that RN bullets perform very well as to killing effect and are intended for shorter ranges..
I have used a lot of RN Woodleighs on DG in Africa and they work to perfections every time.
Mostly I use them on iron sighted rifles, both barrel mounted and reciever sighted guns which I use a lot..The RN bullets are good for any range I shoot irons and that would be up to 300 yards at the outer limit and mostly at 100 to 200 yards. No need for pointed bullets at those ranges.
There is definately a place for them. should they disapear? well I could get by without them very easily.. |
Edited by - Big 4 on Jun 24 2012 13:31:41 |
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