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SWABBY56
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Posted - Jul 02 2012 :  21:56:27  Show Profile Send SWABBY56 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This might sound stupid. I have been shooting a very long time and I
am really not sure the proper way to measure a group. I am just not quite sure how to do it. Anybody out there that can give me the proper way? It would be greatly appreciated. I have some groups to measure that are really tight.

Onondaga
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Posted - Jul 03 2012 :  01:03:57  Show Profile Send Onondaga a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Your computer can do it for you very accurately. Do you have a scanner?

Read the info and consider the free version of ON TARGET v1.10. It will work with your scanner to make an image file of your targets and run measurements. Link:

http://www.ontargetshooting.com/download1.html


it looks like this on your screen.

I learned how to use it in less than 1 hour.You can change the scale and fill up the screen with a tiny group and the shot circles to ID the shots move to the size you do.



Gary

Fine rifles are never really owned.

Edited by - Onondaga on Jul 03 2012 01:11:13
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Onondaga
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Posted - Jul 03 2012 :  01:18:45  Show Profile Send Onondaga a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The common ways to measure are covered in the program:

MAX: the distance between the 2 shots farthest apart in the group in inches and MOA from shot center to shot center.

ATC: the average from the center of each shot to the center of the group in inches and MOA.

Width and Height of the group measured in inches by the shot centers.

Gary

Fine rifles are never really owned.
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Kansas Ed
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Posted - Jul 03 2012 :  18:46:08  Show Profile  Visit Kansas Ed's Homepage Send Kansas Ed a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I always use a pair of calipers, measure the outside to outside of the two shots furthest apart, and subtract the bullet diameter. That should get you pretty accurate on the C-C measurement.

Ed

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ten2six
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 :  19:53:29  Show Profile Send ten2six a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I do the same thing Ed does, just with a transparent ruler. Sometimes it's hard to tell which two are furthest apart just by eyeballing them, so I measure all the combinations that look like they are close to being furthest apart.

ten

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Big 4
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Posted - Jul 20 2012 :  22:53:37  Show Profile Send Big 4 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What Ed sez is the "legal way" at many matches..
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ranger335v
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Posted - Aug 01 2012 :  11:02:20  Show Profile Send ranger335v a Private Message  Reply with Quote
"...really not sure the proper way to measure a group."

Do it any way you wish but the common definition of group size depends on where the centers of the two widest holes are, that avoids any measurement difference between bullets of different diameters. Ed tells how it's done in ocmpetition.

- Common sense is an uncommon quality -

Edited by - ranger335v on Aug 01 2012 11:03:08
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Paul B
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Posted - Aug 01 2012 :  17:00:34  Show Profile Send Paul B a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Big 4

What Ed sez is the "legal way" at many matches..



I second that statement.
Paul B.
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Onondaga
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Posted - Aug 01 2012 :  17:15:23  Show Profile Send Onondaga a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The legal measurement for matches is a good standard for matches. My opinion is that hunting firearms are better evaluated for hunting with the measurement of ATC, or average of shot centers to the center of the group. This gives a clear picture of how far shots may vary from the point of aim for a firearm that is sighted in at a particular distance.

Gary

Fine rifles are never really owned.
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