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luvrifles
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USA
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Posted - Nov 08 2007 :  17:27:12  Show Profile Send luvrifles a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks Ed,I'll look around some more.

So many different rifles,so little time
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Nov 10 2007 :  01:15:42  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Howabout this Long Tom slug gun.....Ed



Ed Hubel
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hubel458
Senior Member

USA
464 Posts

Posted - Nov 13 2007 :  00:40:29  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
We're going to test smoothbore slugs in 87
like these Brenneke KOs with our special
powder loads to get velocity up. Many guys are
getting accuracy with these in smooth and
rifled barrels, and I going to see if they
will stay together and be stable with speed added.Ed


Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Nov 18 2007 :  15:05:10  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Got an 8ga barrel blank being made now,
will be here end of the week.Found this
info on plastic 8ga kiln gun loads, they
load a frangible 710gr slug at 2300-
for 8300ft lbs, load 1275gr hard slug to
1700, 8100 ft lbs. We will outdo those easy
with our non-shotgun powder loads, in
a heavy barrel.Ed

Ed Hubel
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hubel458
Senior Member

USA
464 Posts

Posted - Nov 30 2007 :  23:53:54  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Tested 35" smooth barrel in 1887. Got couple
1 oz foster slugs over 2400, with 110gr
of 4227. 3" plastic case, regular primers.
This is a heavy barrel for that type of load,
don't do this in your 12ga skinny barrels.
The 28GA FH cases on the way.Chambering
bolt gun for it now..Ed

Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Dec 05 2007 :  12:58:25  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In the 87 long smooth barrel got
1 oz Brenneke to 2400 with 110gr
of 4227, You could use 4759 and
VV110 also at lesser amounts.
Barrel is cylinder bore size.
Brenneke slugs need no wads as the
locked on wad works good.Ed

Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Dec 12 2007 :  23:22:08  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In the long barrel 87 got 600 grain
Dixie over 2000, got a Buckhammer slug
I took out of factory load over 1900.
Buckhammer and locked on wad is 630
gr. Tested in 3" plastic cases.

The firing pin on the 87 didn't protude out
like I like them to as it comes from factory,
so I removed .015 from the hammer stop.
It fires big and small primers perfect.Ed

Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Dec 21 2007 :  02:29:14  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
10GA FH..a NEF 10ga, medium to heavy wt smooth barrel.
28" long, gun weighted to 14lbs. factory FED 765gr loads
are 1300 fps. 200 gr of first powder tested is 7383 surplus
and the regular shotgun primers got 765 gr to 1600,
for 4300 ft lbs. Case won't hold anymore 7383.
We will test 4227 with the same slug , and saboted slug
of some design. The 765 gr Fed slug is hollowbase for
smooth bores. Roll crimped with crimper in drill press.
Case expansion with 7383 very little(.006") like
the factory loads. 3.5" plastic cases.Ed

Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Dec 24 2007 :  01:23:26  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
10GA FH info.Fed factory hollowbase slug is .025" smaller than
10ga bore. I bumped it up to the .775" size, by expanding
hollow base. With 7383 that gave another 150 fps.Fast starting
shotgun powders expand base better than much slower 7383.
The Federal factory load has 120gr of wads/seals about 1.4"
long. Better to replace with much more slower powder,
getting better velocity, still at low shotgun pressures.Ed

Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Jan 05 2008 :  02:50:54  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In 10GA NEF 110gr 4227 got 765gr slug
to 1800, ejected ok. If it was a really
heavy barrel it could do more.Using the
7383 surplus at 150 gr, don't even have
to resize to fire 3 times. The 28GA FH
done and testing in next couple weeks.Ed

Ed Hubel
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hubel458
Senior Member

USA
464 Posts

Posted - Jan 09 2008 :  20:09:58  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Fired 28GA FH-- Cases extract easy.--It is
in bolt action Enfield. With 550gr jkt slug,
full load 150 gr of WC-860, got 1900 fps.
This will be slowest load and powder.
In picture is 3.25" brass 28ga cases, regular
28ga plastic case, jkt slugs, a 458Win
for comparison.Regular cases work also.Ed


Ed Hubel
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hubel458
Senior Member

USA
464 Posts

Posted - Jan 12 2008 :  17:30:41  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
28ga cases are made by Rocky Mtn Cartridge,
Barrel is rifled with 4 grooves, 1-22 twist.
You could do one on Savage 210.Another
shotgun bolt action that would handle it
with little work, heavy barrel, is the
395-495-595-695 bolt action Mossberg.
Just show that 28GA FH isn't puny, here is
picture of it next to a 505 Gibbs.Ed



Ed Hubel
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hubel458
Senior Member

USA
464 Posts

Posted - Jan 18 2008 :  23:19:07  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here is picture and info on Royal
Arms' site for hopped up 12ga loads,
used in little cannons for bomb work.
Anyone got any of these fired that I could inspect to see how they are built.ED

http://www.royalarms.com/EOD/ammo/canonammo.gif

Ed Hubel
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hubel458
Senior Member

USA
464 Posts

Posted - Jan 27 2008 :  12:28:45  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I like the Savage 210 so I'm putting
a 700 barrel on one and chambering for
my 700H 3.25 case. Working on it now.
It is a straight belted case, .700 cal.
Should get the same energy levels as
the 12GA From Hell case in same action.
In pic is 700H case in the action. Ed


Ed Hubel
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hubel458
Senior Member

USA
464 Posts

Posted - Jan 30 2008 :  03:17:06  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here is pic showing process of making my
700cases from BMG brass.Shows the steps,
first bmg case, next the belt formed, last case
expanded to 700 cal with slug.
An 06 case on right for comparison.Ed


Ed Hubel
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