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hubel458
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USA
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Posted - Aug 22 2007 :  03:43:53  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Read a report that H & H is going to
make Paradox rifle/shotguns again.Big bore
mania is catching on.Be able to use
shot and slugs, and with newer alloy
barrels, they'd be hairy like the guns Rob and
I have set up. Ed

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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Aug 31 2007 :  00:21:09  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
tested in NEF 3" cases, Alliant 2400 with
small primers, Fired ok at 75 deg but when
case cooled there was majority of misfires
and squib loads. Don't reccomend it.
Here is picture of Mauser 12ga bolt action
GEHA with a heavy barrel like one I will put
on it. Make a good slug gun.Ed




Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Sep 07 2007 :  22:29:22  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The 12GA From Hell is now on
Ammoguide, the last page of
cartridge list.Ed

http://ammoguide.com/?catid=611

Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Sep 17 2007 :  19:32:08  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Saw info on a break action that
would handle 12ga FH.It is Cole,
with a strong top lock and real wide
strong extractor.Ed


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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Sep 26 2007 :  23:17:30  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Tested 3.5" plastic cases in NEF, small
primers. My chamber is long for our
long brass case, so they work fine.....
600 gr slug, 105 gr of IMR 4227,
got 2100. Same slug, 180 gr, 7383 surplus,
got 2100 fps. That's 5800 ft lbs from
plastic shotgun cases.Ed

Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Oct 06 2007 :  23:07:48  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Along with testing loads in 3.5" plastic, later tested same loads
in 3" RMC brass cases; and with 600gr slug, same wt 4227 and
7383 surplus powders got same 2100 fps.I got a MEC Super Sizer
coming to size base of plastic and RMC cases. Both are hard to
resize with regular die, but this will save time and allow many
more firings of the cases.Just got 3.5" plastic for dime each,
and this sizer will allow as many firings as the RMC brass.Ed

Ed Hubel
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Tomygun
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USA
476 Posts

Posted - Oct 09 2007 :  04:01:46  Show Profile Send Tomygun a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I love your extreme tests. Just want to know what is left of the shooter, and which end to point at game? Tomygun
quote:
Originally posted by hubel458

budlight-- The gun has a 31 inch barrel,
and we are using up to 320 grains of powder,
4 times the powder a 458 holds,
so that is why it easily beats the 460, etc.
In the case of the sabot, we are taking a
bullet that is half the weight of regular
50BMG bullets and putting more powder behind it
than what the 50BMG uses.I use the BMG comparison,
as that case is what we made brass from.
And I'm holding peak pressures to 35,000 psi.
In the Borchardt, which can hold full pressures,
Rob got 3000 fps with a 750 gr banded solid,
for 15,000 ft lbs.Ed.

Ed Hubel



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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Oct 13 2007 :  02:21:19  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Shooters are still here posting ok.Nothing broke.
A bullet fella contacted me and he will make
750gr jacketed 12ga slugs for buck and a half.
He uses Corbin equipment, and that is a very
great price as others have quoted almost
50% more. Minimum order 500 bullets.He
has to get couple pieces of punch and die
tooling to make them .729" to fit most rifled
barrels, and he will get tooling if we pay
half, which is 300 bucks. I want to find
10 guys to put in 30 each plus order 50 or
a hundred and we have him get tooling ordered.
Contact me so I can see how many want to get
in on the deal.Then after I tally everyone
I will get back to you for the funds for dies
for you to send the them to him..Here is pic
of a sizer we got that does plastic
cases back to factory specs in few seconds
and allows 3 times more reloads. It will
also do the RMC cases I have. No more cases
sticking in dies, or spending 5 min
to get them sized only half assed.ED.




Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Oct 20 2007 :  15:49:40  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here is the Enfield I reamed out to feed 12 gauge and BMG
size cases. I added two rear bolt locking lugs, one the huge bolt
handle and another added that locks in rear bridge. The front lugs
still contact on their top 40 %. This is concept from earlier shown
Mauser shotgun conversions, where they were made from 98
Mausers, giving a bolt action 12ga.This one is chambered for
my belted 700H 3.25" case, as a load developement test gun.
Loads up to 825 gr at 2500 so far. Ed





Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Oct 26 2007 :  00:01:41  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The three From Hell cartridges----
My 28GA FH, 2nd Our 12GA FH, can
you guess the 3rd?. What do readers think. Ed



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hubel458
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USA
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Posted - Oct 27 2007 :  01:53:47  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Third is the 8GA From Hell, a real cartridge. 4.3 inch long
brass case. 8 ga shorter plastic case, plan on in same chamber.
The brass kiln gun case isn't as long as mine. Where do
you find the rare 8 ga brass kiln gun cases.
Looking now for guns or actions and barrels. I make it
from 20mm Suzy brass(20mm Hispano Suiza), by putting
on a 8ga size rim and reshaping like we did 12GA FH....Ed

Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Oct 29 2007 :  22:28:58  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here is a $1000 bmg bolt action upper that would work
for our 700HE and 12GA FH, Decent price compared to
others. just change barrel. Ed




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hubel458
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USA
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Posted - Nov 05 2007 :  01:27:56  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
8ga, we gonna do a couple, first one a test
gun in an Enfield with rear locking lugs.
All locking is in the rear, it is not exactly like
my 700HE one,as lug seats gone in the
front like a Mauser shotgun.
May have a way to get barrels 'fast'---
fast being like 2 weeks, from the time I
have money to do it. And only about
150 bucks each.......Am working on it.
In pic you see long case sticking out of
the action, a couple 8ga plastic cases, a
couple of the 8ga kiln slugs, 3 oz and
hardened. Am looking for a slug built like the
Federal 10 ga one that has rounded nose and
hollow base, that will fit bores tight.
The barrels I am working deal on will be smoothbore.Ed



Ed Hubel
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luvrifles
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USA
937 Posts

Posted - Nov 05 2007 :  17:58:49  Show Profile Send luvrifles a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ed, Have you done anything in 20ga?

So many different rifles,so little time
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Nov 08 2007 :  03:18:35  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
No- too many sizes. and not enough time.
I've hesard of others having 3.5" 20ga
brass cases made by RMC, and getting loads
close to 600NE power in heavy barrels.Ed

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