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hubel458
Senior Member

USA
464 Posts

Posted - Mar 17 2016 :  14:21:42  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here is picture of a great old time 8bore double.
I like those old outside hammer, big bore guns.



The style of most break actions singles aren't the greatest, that we
we used for 12ga FH, 10ga FH, other caliber barrels we mono-blocked
in them like .585" bore for 585HE and 24ga FH.. One that is close
that we have, is the Magtech.

Well the guys have found one that is super strong lockup and looks
real nice. And has the good quality look. It comes 12ga light shot barrel,
soon be monoblocked to rifled 24ga FH, the little brother of the 585HE.

We told company if they did them with NEF style, rifled, heavy slug barrel,
for shotgun caliber only hunters, they couldn't make them fast enough.




Here is picture of 585HE, In an Enfield that Bret and Darrel in Minn
set up with great camo finish, with nice brake job. It is in a Hogue, recoil
reducing, rubber coated, Compstock.Great job they did.. Ed





Ed Hubel
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hubel458
Senior Member

USA
464 Posts

Posted - Apr 14 2016 :  02:03:33  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
We will have arrived when we have this big bore in our back yard,
Kind of a neat suppressor,




Here is folder shotgun, the guys set up as 24ga FH.
Shoots nice, looks nice, it a more expensive break action,
compared to many others.




Here is another view of what we feel is a nearly perfect
break action. Guy is making a strong 24ga FH with it.




Here is picture of a 585HE MRC PH a guy set up..




Here is picture of our shorter 585 BB for leverguns, etc, with
variety of bullets..Can get energy like regular elephant guns..Ed





Ed Hubel
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hubel458
Senior Member

USA
464 Posts

Posted - May 11 2016 :  21:21:20  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here is a Midland break action a guy is doing in 24ga FH.



Here is old catalog picture of different stuff used in old days
for shotgun loads. Some would be hairy in brass cases



Here is picture of a MN a guy is doing 585HE in..
It is singleshot. Redid bolt handle, mounted it on the bolt
further back, so the port could be lengthened for our long case.
Also puts handle back where it is easier to grab.
Needs, more shaping, polishing, blueing, scope rail added.





Ed Hubel
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hubel458
Senior Member

USA
464 Posts

Posted - Jun 18 2016 :  06:15:49  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There are guys on Castboolits forum experimenting with
locking on plastic bases securely on slugs.
Making their own front heavy ones for smoothbores.

Here is picture of our 585BB case next to long 585HE.






Ed Hubel
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hubel458
Senior Member

USA
464 Posts

Posted - Jul 23 2016 :  03:25:58  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here is a helix driver seal we made by cutting base from helix driver

wadcup, good for fullbore roundballs that are too big to go in cup.

Best one to cut off is shortest `12ga one BPI has.






Here is picture of a 585HE made on a Stiller bolt action for guy in Canada.

It was made for the poster Spooksar on Africa Hunting and Accuratereloading,

by Corlanes/Rocky Mountain rifles, in Dawson Creek BC Canada, with a

Stiller action, Timney trigger. the stock is a blue/grey laminate. He imported

the barrel, cases, dies, etc.. from us, through Prophet River in Lloydminster AB.






That action similar to Lawton we had and neighbor got, that won the King Of The

2 Mile shoot at Whittington, with the 375 Lethal cartridge the neighbor made,

from our 585 brass. Made it full length case,.. It is big one on the right.

He made an 18 lb gun with McMillan target stock, a huge scope, tripod..

Nice thing is we don't need BMG action.ED




Ed Hubel
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win 86
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USA
252 Posts

Posted - Jul 23 2016 :  04:17:35  Show Profile  Visit win 86's Homepage Send win 86 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
you know what ed, you have me beat so bad that i am staying tuned in with your cannon from hell!! do not shoot a d8 cat or the white house, what ever you shoot with that gun will be disabled. LOL 86
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Zero333
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Canada
812 Posts

Posted - Jul 23 2016 :  22:14:59  Show Profile Send Zero333 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Anyone who wants to read about the 375 Lethal and King of 2 miles 2016 finals,.. here's a link.

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2016/07/applied-ballistics-shooters-dominate-king-of-2-miles-finals/

I had no idea the 375 Lethal was based of off the 585 HE. First round hit at 2,477 yards (1.4 miles) is a crazy feat in itself.

Tho no one hit the 2 mile target this year, it makes no difference because 20 years ago the best long range shooters could barely hit a target at half that distance, and even today there aren't many shooters who can hit a barn door at a mile on the first shot.

And people keep saying belted magnums are a thing of the past !




Treat that trigger like itís your first date, not like youíve been married to it for 20 years.
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Jul 26 2016 :  13:42:30  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thankyou. Yes we like the fact that 375 worked great,

and that will help make our case more popular,

no matter what it is used in. AND the primer pockets

are staying tight, where other guys non belt cases made from

the same cup draws are not...Ed


Ed Hubel
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hubel458
Senior Member

USA
464 Posts

Posted - Aug 08 2016 :  07:29:02  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Fellow big bore nut, Nathan Vale in AUS, has worked with

Bertram and got the run of full length 12ga From Hell cases done.

Drawn 12ga long cases as strong as BMG brass with unbreakable rims.

Any wanting to get some, contact Bertram at the email -----

b.bertram1@bigpond.com ......





Some more on wildcat 375 Lethal Cartridge and Mitchell Fitzpatrick's win.......

.375 Lethal Precision Arms LLC rifle shooting prototype solid 400gr Berger bullets.

Mitchell built this rifle himself using a McMillan A5 Super Mag stock, Rock Creek barrel,

Nightforce ATACR MOA scope, Phoenix Precision Bipod, and a Lethal Precision Arms

muzzle brake. Lawton Action. Lethal Precision his own gunsmith shop, will make

these target rifles for anyone into target shooting and long range hunting..


Remarkably, Mitchell nailed first- and second- shot hits at the 2477-yard target,

a full 1.4 miles away. It is windy out there, makes shooting hard with a time limit.

The prototype 400 grain Berger Bullets solid performed great, (G7 BC of 0.56 at 3000 fps).






Here is 585 HE in an Enfield, in a Choate Heavy Varmint Stock. These are super strong.

The butts of these can easily be weighted. Couple guys doing them....... Ed










Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
464 Posts

Posted - Oct 02 2016 :  06:49:20  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here is a picture of the 12ga FH brass case that Nathan

Vale had Bertrams make. Next to short plastic case.




Here is a picture of our 585BB headstamp. Perfect lettering

for our case as it came from production line,.




I like Hogue stocks, but they aren't made for singleshots.

We use singleshots for our 12ga FH and 585HE.

Here is picture of a NEF we set up for 24ga FH and we adapted

a Hogue 1300 Winchester Hogue to it. Looks a lot better, and

handles recoil easier than factory, Butt hollow, easy to add weight,





Here is picture of 585 case in the Lawton bolt, and the wildcat

375s and others made from our cases, work in bolt also. Ed




Ed Hubel
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Northern Shock
New Member

USA
12 Posts

Posted - Oct 02 2016 :  11:35:41  Show Profile Send Northern Shock a Private Message  Reply with Quote
awesome! is the only fitting response. plainly awesome! but like the BMG it really has no practical application outside a battlefield. those kind of energies are mostly waisted on game, unless you have some amazing expansion you loose on pass through. I have hunted just about as big as you can without going for hippo and the like. never used anything bigger than a 45-70. truly a .243 and 7mm rem mag have accounted for most.

still those guns sound awesome, would love to shoot one.
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hubel458
Senior Member

USA
464 Posts

Posted - Oct 26 2016 :  13:07:11  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Some info about target 375 wildcats made from 585 HE , for now Mitch has the

Lethal case proprietory, and the guy in Alaska with the 375 Warlord,

which is about the same case, both made from my 585 HE, holds same powder; has

released it to public domain and he and I will have formed 375 Warlord cases in few weeks....

He has also released the reamer to the public,being made by JGS, so anyone wanting to do

a super ELR rifle, get you a reamer ''now' on the first reamer run at JGS, that way,

you can get a gun done this winter, with reamer in hand.Ed

Ed Hubel
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hubel458
Senior Member

USA
464 Posts

Posted - Jan 06 2017 :  20:52:15  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Our friend Brian from the far north went to Africa with his 24ga FH he did in
a NEF break action and got 3 nice buffs with it. Good job.


Our 585HE, 700HE and the great 12ga FH are now in the new COTW book
published in Oct, now out for sale,




We now have our target 375 HE cartridge, made by necking down our 585 HE.
The others couldn't make enough 375s, so we started our own. It has different
shoulder taper, length, neck length, improved over the others...Got a bunch
guys doing it, most into the 2 mile shooting venues, We're making cases,
testing, reamer prints at reamer guys, we are getting guys going. The 2 mile
shoot last year really got the interest booming for 375 necked from our case,

Here's how, size and seat 375 HE, one simple die, a 1" die, no huge dies needed
A die we can make with resize reamer from reamer guy, a regular die body,then
pass on to the next guy, one reamer can make whole bunch of dies for folks.

I do primer work separate, not in the press. SO First with lock ring set, I size cases.

When coming back out of dies with case, we notice the case still well centered,
held straight, when it is down as far as the length of the 375 HE neck... IE
the sides and shoulder corner still supported tight.

So we put washer or another lock ring on, same thickness as neck length,
below original lock ring, screw down tight tight in press,

Dies had a 5/8 x 24 thread in top, had powder fill bushing and other stuff same thread,
reamed out from bottom to set bullet height, with ram, case,and bullet up,

After priming, loading in the powder charge, we carefully start(boat tail makes it easy)
bullet in case by hand, slide up in die, into holder, raise ram to to top, bullet seated
perfect. Die can have different thread in top as long as big enough to hold seating
bushing of some kind , that can be made from many items.

These target bullets held in by strong neck tension, no crimping needed, and notice
bullet point will get no marks or dents, fast, easy, no 380-500 buck special dies.
Bushing centering bullet on ogive is very accurate.

OVER 900 375HE cases piled behind presses getting done. About 600 on another
bench nearly ready. Small batches in shelves.And we will do more.

All 375 info, prints, specs, pictures, load data, etc, is public domain, worldwide,
for any target, hunting, etc, use..Ed



Ed Hubel
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hubel458
Senior Member

USA
464 Posts

Posted - Feb 01 2017 :  05:33:14  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here is picture of one of 3 buffs our guy from Canada got in

Africa with our 24ga FH he did on a NEF, in 2nd picture








Here is the neck die setup, with insert stems/plugs for the top that

are set in .020" steps to make our 375 HEs shown behind

from our 585HE cases. 900 cases behind and 600 on

another bench, mostly done, and 600 started elsewhere,

We also made a hydraulic form die, 375 HE test gun, starting with

lighter bullets, for example got 340 gr to 3700,

Will test up to 400gr We will find top speeds and powders needed

to get that, and have info where to get powders. Reamer prints are

at reamer guys, all prints and info is public domain... Ed


Ed Hubel
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Zero333
Advanced Member



Canada
812 Posts

Posted - Feb 01 2017 :  15:03:18  Show Profile Send Zero333 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks Ed for taking the time to show us your hard work. I'm impressed to say the least.

I Love my COTW book, so I'm glad they put your stuff in it this time.

In the pic, they guy from Canada is at lower left ya ?

Treat that trigger like itís your first date, not like youíve been married to it for 20 years.
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