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hubel458
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Posted - Feb 28 2006 :  19:46:15  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here is picture of the case we fired 36 time, sectioned,
to show there is no thinning of the sides. None to be
measured with calipers either.Ed



Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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Posted - Mar 08 2006 :  19:45:35  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here is a picture of a heavy double we
are checking the specs on to see if it
would do our cartridge.Ed.




Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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Posted - Mar 14 2006 :  11:57:49  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here is picture of regular brass case and our case
sectioned showing how much better ours is. In fact
ours in pic is one fired 36 times and the regular
one, in whatever gun fired in, was expanded so much
it wouldn't go into the bottom of resize die.Ed




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hubel458
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Posted - Mar 27 2006 :  21:06:40  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hereis comparison of some big cartridges in picture.
1st is a 700Ne--2nd our 12GA FH--3rd my 700HE..Ed



Ed Hubel
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Logan_P
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Posted - Mar 29 2006 :  01:11:45  Show Profile  Click to see Logan_P's MSN Messenger address Send Logan_P a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So Ed,
How much recoil does this generate compared to a 3 1/2 inch turkey load? Also, could this cartridge be adapted to accept buckshot? This has got to be the wildest wildcat ever. Hope it all pans out.

Logan

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hubel458
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Posted - Mar 29 2006 :  22:25:45  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Logan-It recoils about same as turkey load in a 10 lb gun,
but ours weighs 25 lbs. It wouldn't be shootable in a 10 lb
gun.I shot buckshot, about 700 gr worth, in a long shotcup,
but pattern huge due to rifling. Need smoothbore barrel.
Shot went through a 3/4 inch thick tempered hardboard
desktop.Moving out so to speak.I may get a smooth barrel
later as it changes real easy on the Savage.Ed.

Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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Posted - Apr 09 2006 :  12:10:00  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Tested a 500 gr hollowbase banded solid.Got it
to over 2800 fps. Tested a 870gr hardened casr
slug. Got it over 2300.Ed

Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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Posted - Apr 23 2006 :  11:50:55  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here is picture showing the 750 gr Bridger banded
brass solid 1st-- 2nd is a semi-spitzer 640 gr I
made from 1st for long range(vicious p-dogs)--3rd
is the 500 gr roundnose I made, mentioned in test
above-4th a Foster slug for comparison.Ed




Ed Hubel

Edited by - hubel458 on Apr 23 2006 11:52:44
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hubel458
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Posted - May 03 2006 :  21:01:53  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here is some sabot experimenting I did.Shot a couple of
A-Sq 900gr 600 NE slugs in a sabot I made from a heavy
12ga shotcup.Got it to 2300 at my moderate pressures.Here is picture showing slugs, shotcup and one loaded.Shotcup in case
is first one I made- too short. The ones finally used were full
length of slug up to ogive.Ed.




Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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Posted - May 18 2006 :  22:14:59  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The sabot that Federal uses with the 3/4 oz Barnes Bullet
has lots of bullets that will fit it. Like all 500S&W stuff,
the lighter 505 bullets, and the neatest, the front part
of bmg bore rider bullets.Get them surplus, cut off the .510
diameter back, leaves a .500 diameter front 1.5 inches long
about 470 gr. It is second in picture. First is Barnes in sabot.
Third is 900gr 600NE slug, in sabot made from heavy shotcup.Ed.



Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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Posted - May 28 2006 :  01:32:44  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Shot a 610 grain hollowpoint Dixie hard
slug into 6 gallon sealed pail of water.
Going 2800 fps, and real big hollowpoint.
First pic is pail with crimped on top.
Pail full and has filler spout capped.
Second pic,impact with water atomising,
and pail blowing apart.In the next small
fraction of a second is third after impact
with shelf cleared, the hyrostatic pressure
down, has bent top of steel frame shelf.
Same blast put jug pieces all over.
Got to get a 15 gallon one. Behind
you see my wood bundle backstop...Ed







Ed Hubel

Edited by - hubel458 on May 28 2006 03:51:24
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hubel458
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Posted - Jun 26 2006 :  03:05:02  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I picked up a 12ga NEF Ultra Slug gun.
With 24 inch shorty barrel.
Added weight and thumbhole stock.
Gun weighted to 15 lbs so
far. I got 600gr hard slug to
1650-1700 so far, and shoots easy.
Got 1 1/2 inch thick pad.Working up different
loads.Should get over 2000.
Cases eject easy,no resizing needed
on bottom half of case,action opens easy,
no evidence of binding.Started case 3.2 inch,
settled on case length of 3.15-- Chamber being
full size max 12ga size expands top half of case
more than my minimum chamber in Savage does,
so little more effort needed to size.Our case, though many times stronger than regular
12ga cases is thinner at mouth, so that is
why I used tight chamber on Savage.Still
can't get used to mickey mouse short barrel.
Anyone know of a genius who could
make long alloy barrel with pivot mounted?
Cases can be 3 inches on up to
our length, and work.Ed




Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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Posted - Jul 01 2006 :  22:36:59  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
We got 600 gr slug to 2000 fps in NEF.Used ball
powder load. Case length of maximum 3.07 works.
Can use our case shorter, but load developement harder.
Anyone using our style case should also put in adapter
for shotgun primer. Save a lot of work
beefing up hammer speed and strength.Ed


Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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Posted - Jul 13 2006 :  02:38:18  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Being some guns need to much work
to fire bmg primers, it easier to
do the following with adapter bushings.
Here is picture of cases for primer
comparisons.1st is regular bmg
primer. 2nd is adapted to a shotgun primer.
3rd is adapted to large rifle primer.
Of the 2 adaptations, large rifle is
easier to do, just ream out pocket, thread in adapter, but adapting shotgun primer
you have to deepen the original primer
pocket a little, then thread and screw in
a bushing.These two primers give about
100 fps less than bmg primer.Ed.



Ed Hubel
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hubel458
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USA
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Posted - Jul 24 2006 :  23:38:32  Show Profile  Visit hubel458's Homepage Send hubel458 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Testing Savage with long case-Got 2550 with
320gr WC-855H special ball.730 gr slug.
Same slug,
300gr of RL-25 got 2400. 300 gr of RL-22
got 2800. 280 gr of W-760 ball got 2900.
Will hold more 760, but pressures around 40k on last
two loads mentioned.Savage extracts easy,
bellers like a tank gun.Ed


Ed Hubel
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